
A WordPress theme with a unique “grunge” design.
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*Update 1 (24/09/2008):
Scruffy has been updated to version 1.1.
Changes that have been made:
1. Changed background images so that “Latest post” only displays on the homepage and the comments text does not appear on pages.
2. Added wp_footer() in footer.php. This allows plugins to hook into your footer and allows them to add code, etc in your site (Very important for some plugin’s functionality)
*Update 2 (08/10/2008):
Updated to version 1.2.
Changes:
1. Added default WordPress gravatar support. (Removed old gravatar code in comments.php and replaced with standard WordPress code.)
*Update 3 (08/10/2008):
Updated to version 1.3.
Changes:
1. Last lank in widget lists is now clickable in Internet Explorer.

Hi Cobus,
Thank you for this excellent theme, I have just applied to my blog.
Carlos
Great theme!!!
Great theme, just added! I do have some feedback, though.
Page commenting doesn’t seem to be supported. I’m using WP 2.6 and have comments enabled on my six pages. I don’t actually mind having zero comment support on my pages, in my particular case, however the images marking ‘comments’ and ‘latest post’ still appear on my pages; which looks a little odd.
Maybe tweak the code so that if the page being viewed is a ‘page page’ rather than a ‘post page’, the images don’t display?
Great theme though, regardless. Any plans for a theme suitable for independant/student film makers?
amazing theme many thanks for sharing with the community.
great design and all the right things in all the right places.
Thanks again
Paul
@David Green: Yeah, I know about that
You’re right, it does look a bit odd. I’ll sort it out for a future update…
Thanks for downloading and commenting
Thanks you for the wonderful theme. I have been looking to replace my old theme for some time now and yours is the best one I have found in a long time. One question. Is there a way to add the tagline below the blog title? Thanks again.
Fantastic theme, perfect for a personal blog. It’s very scrap-booky which I love. Unfortunately “out of the box” it only works for a relatively short blog title otherwise the headings and pages overlap. If there is an easy way to make the height at the top automatically adjust for either a one line or two line blog title then it would be great.
Dude, this is like, the EXACT theme I’ve been waiting for someone to make, thank you!
I hope lots of high paying freelance work gets sent your way.
Love the theme. Thank you! Using it on two sites.
Hi! We love this theme and we would like to add it in our directory so that you will have some added exposure. Can you fix your CSS so that it will be valid? Thanks.
Thanks for all the comments guys! Much appreciated and I’m glad you all like the theme
@Michael Tefft: To add the tagline, paste the following code just below the code on line of the theme’s header.php file….
<p><?php bloginfo('description'); ?></p>Not sure how the theme will react, the layout might break if you pop that in there, but give it a try and see what happens
@Tom Bammann: Yeah, I know what you mean…I’ll look into that and release an update that will support a longer blogtitle
@WPSalon: Awesome! Added exposure is always good, so I won’t complain
I’ll check out my CSS and upload an update as soon as I’ve fixed. You want me to pop you an email when I’m done??
The theme is fantastic, great job and thanks a lot!
Could you tell us what’s new in version 1.1? I’ve customized the other version so I prefer not to overwrite it.
Awesome theme, I’m using it on my site now. Could you pop me an email when you choose to update it, to fix the paging and css issues?
Thanks!!
@Steven: I’ll post a changelog tomorow
@George: Awesome! I’ll let you knpw when I get around to those fixes, thanks for donwloading & using my theme!
Great theme, thanks. The footer isn’t quite right on IE6.
Thought it may be my site but the same happens for your demo link on this site. The “previous posts” does not show. FF display is perfect.
@Ivan Santry: I know the theme isn’t 100% perfect in IE6. But it was a delibirate decision to NOT fix IE6 bugs, as I feel it is way past its lifespan.
I also have to fix IE6 bugs for all my client projects, so it’s nice to be able to ignore at times!
My advice – Just use Firefox! It’s way better
Thanks for stopping by
Fantastic Theme!
I am having a problem getting my author links to work. When you click on an author’s name, a 404 error page comes up. I have no idea why.
Have you heard of this problem before?
Thanks for your time.
Hi,
Your theme is great!! there is only one thing, when is opened in internet explorer it gets moved to the left and the nice comments graphic dissapears. Is there something that you can do about that. Thanks.
A fantastic theme, too bad it doesn’t work with IE6! That makes it pretty useless, unfortunately. Of course Firefox is better and IE7 is out, but most people still use IE6 and they won’t switch to Firefox just to be able to read my Blog properly.
Out of interest I checked my hit stats, IE6 was top with 48%, FF (2 and 3) made up 37% with IE7 only coming in at 5%.
Obviously that will change, IE6 will phase out but prob not as quick as the uptake of FF3.
I agree, Firefox is better but the public need to be convinced
lower your text size for blog titles and it works fine..
I just saw this on someone’s blog and it is truly beautiful. Great job!
@Brian Alexander tried that (reduced h2 in the style.css) but no luck. Thanks for the suggestion tho.
@Dave Powers: Nope, haven’t heard of that before. Can;t really say that I know what could be causing the problem
Perhaps take a look at the way your authors are setup in WordPress
@Vilma Esquivel: What version of IE are we talking about?
@Oceanborn: Yeah, I know. Many people still use IE6. I just didn’t feel like fixing the bugs for this theme, as I deel with IE6 issues nearly everday on client projects. So it was nice to turn a blid eye on this project
@koffiekitten: Thanks! Glad you like the theme…
@Ivan Santry: Yeah, I know a great amount of internet users are still using IE6 (why, I don’t know
). But like I said, I just felt like ignoring it for this theme. I think more people should ignore it, maybe the public will adapt to more modern browsers. Unfortunately one cannot ignore it on client projects, as you loose to much audience.
I have to say this theme is great! I like it very much.
Wish your subsequent work!
Love the theme! Thanks! I made some modifications and while it works in Safari, the background disappears in Firefox. Any suggestions?
@ Fay: definitely a problem with your “bg.jpg”. It can’t be displayed, must be damaged or something.
cool theme….i use it on my little blog,but the problem is in IE 6…
can you fix this problem?
i thing many people still use IE 6 :-s
HI.. I really like this theme… one ?… Is it necessary to have “continue reading” on every post. Some posts are short and this option is not needed.
Please continue the nice work… I look forward to seeing and possibly using other themes from you.
All the best.
Rod
What a great looking theme. I really like that you’ve covered so many options, especially the paragraph options and the pullquotes. Thank you very much for sharing
Yes, I know, somebody already translated it in French… But being the control freak that I am, I’d like to translate it myself for my use.
Would it be possible for you to put the PSD files where text is included for downloading? That would simplify things also for others that would like to translate it in other languages…
Nice work, BTW! The only glitch I see is the “Latest post” image that stays there even when you navigate away from the home page… Ah, well!
@all: I KNOW THE THEME DOES NOT WORK IN IE 6. I DO NOT CARE. IE6 IS OLD AND USELESS. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE STILL USE IT, BUT THIS IS A FREE THEME. I DONT LIKE FIXING IE6 BUGS AND ON FREE PROJECTS I DONT HAVE TO.
THANK YOU
@Serge K. Keller: Mmm, I wasn’t too keen on releasing the PSD. I will consider this and post it here if I decide to do so.
@Cobus: no sweat, if you don’t want to I respect that. It’ll just make it a bit harder to translate it, that’s all…
Thank you for your hard work!
Cobus, try to see ppl’s requests as a compliment, shows that they really like your work.
By the way, I figured out that the theme does work fine with IE6 with the help of just a tiny little fix… but I don’t wanna undermine Cobus’ attempt to make IE6 disappear
got a link over here from adii.co.za,
the theme is amazing, great to see there is still some originality out there.
I love this theme… that little bit of messiness works nicely for an art site… am I allowed to do some color changes and small adjustments? I’ll still be leaving your tag at the bottom for credit of it with a little ‘personalized from’ before it… Definitely all your designing…
EvilShnievel… you could always be a dear and email me that fix.
@EvilShnievel: Hehe, I know, the all caps message may have been unecesary
But I just had to get the message accross! And please post your fix, it would be awesome if you take that problem out of my hands
@Will Haynes: Thanks! I appreciate the comment
@Katlee Shank: Sure, change as much as you like
This is the best theme I ever worked with!
The only thing is the look in ie6! But it really is a piece of art! I changed a little the layout f you don’t mind, but the credits still remains!
Keep the good work!
@Cobus and Katlee Shank: My fix is really easy, just change the doctype from “transitional” to “strict” mode, that’s all!
@EvilShnievel: Thanks for the tip, but how can i do it?
@AN7ONYO: You’re welcome! Just edit the first line of header.php, replace “transitional” with “strict” (twice).
That doesn’t seem to do the trick for me either. Still no change in I.E 6.0. Too bad, would have loved to use this one but too many people still use 6.0 for me to feel comfortable with using it.
Hey Cobus,
Love the theme, was just wondering if Google Analytics/analytics plugins will work with it. I’m pretty sure my analytics plugin stopped working when I installed your theme, but I’m not 100% sure. I really hope that’s not the case, because it’s the best one I’ve found so far.
@Jessica: As far as I know, my theme shouldn’t cause any problems with the Google Analytics plugin. Have you tried deactivating and reactivating the plugin?
Cobus:
Some analytics plug-ins are dependent on the use of wp_footer(). Scruffy doesn’t call this function and therefore prevents these plugins from working. Simply adding this to the footer.php file solves the problem
Jessica:
To fix this problem, you will need to edit the Footer file for the Scruffy theme. To do this
1. Go to the Theme Editor (Admin > Design > Theme Editor
2. Select “Scruffy” from the list of themes to edit
3. Choose “Footer (footer.php)” from the list of Theme Files
4. Insert the following text on a new line above >/body<
>?php wp_footer();?<
sorry, that should read:
4. Insert the following text on a new line above </body>
<?php wp_footer();?>
Hi,
Thanks for your amazing work!
Would you accept to provide source images?
I need to change the background colour of the theme, and this would be easier with PSD (or others) files.
Cheers,
Julien
When we add pages the “Paper” extends up and covers the navigation bar in ie 7.0 I did not check in 6.0 but tried several different computers in 7.0
When on the home page the nav bar shows okay but if you select the new page (glossary) then the nav bar is covered up.
Does anyone know how to fix this? My son asked me and I have no idea what to do.
Thanks!
Bill
I really love your theme, I am so happy to find a theme I really like after searching for so long.
The only problem I have is this. I have a couple of password protected entries, and when you scroll down to them, the “Enter your password to view comments” overlaps the entry title. Is there any way to make this text not display at all, but keep the comment numbers there? That’s the ONLY thing that is bugging me about the theme, everything else is wonderful!
Browser is Firefox 3.
Thanks for your help!
Trying your theme on a fresh WP site. It seems a CSS file it’s trying to request is missing:
/wp-content/themes/scruffy/960gs/960.css
@Lori: Glad your enjoying the theme! Here’s what you need to do to sole your problem:
Open comments.php from the theme folder ina text editor. Look for the following line of code (should be on line 8):
< ?php _e('Enter the password to view comments.'); ?>
imply checnge the text between the brackets to whatever you want it to be.
Hope that helps
@Kovacs: I just checked out your site and 960.css seems to be loading just fine. You probbly figured it out since posting here
Thanks for you time and interest!
@ian: Ofcourse! very daft of me to have forgoten to put that in there :p I’m going to post an update of
Scruffy soon, which will address all the issues on people have mentioned here. Thanks for helping out in the meantime
@Bill: I had a look at your site in IE7 on my PC. Seems fine to me..
@Cobus: I tried taking out the text, and it still shows up, so then I deleted that whole line. The text is still there. I even emptied my cache in the browser to see if that would work.. just in case that was preventing my update from coming through – still there.
I confess I’m new at coding things, but I wonder where the text is coming from… either that or my computer is playing mind games with me.
@Cobus: Love the theme, thanks for putting it out.
I just won an award of sorts, and I was given some code to post an icon for the award. I was just wondering how I could add something like that to the sidebar.
Thanks again!
Hi everyone
Scruffy is a great theme. I’ve modified it to make an artist blog for my girlfriend. But I wanted it to work properly in IE. So I fixed it myself and I thought it might interest some of you.
This is the first time I do php and css so I learned along the way this last week. So I don’t know if my fixes are the most elegant. I did it according to http://www.ericsprojects.com/?p=207
The blog I made is at http://www.generationrien.lautre.net/carotide/ for you to see.
Here are the lines I added in the style.css along with a couple of here and there.
in
#head {
_margin-left: 80px;
in
#main {
_margin-left: 40px;
_margin-bottom: 80px;
in
.post .comments {
_margin-left: 45px;
in
#footer {
_padding: 20px 80px 0 80px;
in
#comments textarea{
width: 98%; //instead of 100
in
.entry p {
_margin: 30px 0;
Now it looks OK in IE6 and still is perfect in FF.
There’s one thing I didn’t manage to do: It’s removing the tan-colored border around around the pictures in posts. I tried everything but to no avail. It might have something to do with a background ? Can someone help me with that ?
Excellent theme – love the way it looks and really appreciate the ease of use. Installation and getting it the way I want were super simple. Thank you!
@Brenda Nicholson: It’s a big pleasure.
Hi there Cobus — scruffy is an awesome template. I have a couple questions….
1. where is the new updated file? (1.1) when I click on scruffy template, it’s still the old one (1.0) – none of the updates you mentioned are working on mine.
2. it says it’s widget enabled, but I can’t get any of the ‘text/html’ ones working, where I can put in my own sidebar content (when I do put it in, and hit save, they disappear.
Hi there, just applied your theme! I love it. The Flickr RSS widget isn’t showing up properly however (no spacing, etc) any ideas on how to fix it?
@Tracy: Hi there! Glad you like my theme
Here are my answers to your questions:
1. Clear your browser cache and then download the theme (by clicking the download link)
2. Not so sure about this one. Will have to investigate and get back to you
@Stacey: Sure, here’s the instructions that are in the readme.txt which is included in the theme folder:
#FlickrRSS plugin setup:
1. Install and activate the FlickrRSS plugin (http://eightface.com/wordpress/flickrrss/)
2. Go to WordPress admin -> settings -> flickrRSS
3. Insert the following for HTML Wrapper:
Before Image: <p class=”flickrrss”>
After Image: </p>
Thanks Corbus, I didn’t even notice the readme after I opened the folder, duh!
Has anyone noticed that the last Link published is not clickable in IE7? I’ve tried with both the first release and 1.1.
Is there a fix for this?
thanks.
Very neat theme…will use it on my blog
I became attached to this theme as soon as I saw it, helped by the fact that within our family, I was given the nickname Scruffy. Nieces and nephews still call me Uncle Scruff at times.
I’m new to WP and short on useable CSS and PHP skills so I hired TechnoCraftz through http://wordpressfreelance.com/.
Great people, affordable pricing.
My users are mostly new to blogs so I changed navigation, some icons, etc.
Keep up the good work.
@Drobie: Uncle Scruff! I love that
Thank you for downloading and using my theme, always nice to see people putting it to good use!
All the best!
Ohmygosh I just downloaded and installed this super cute theme in about 2 minutes!! How wonderful, I totally LOVE it, thanks so much for sharing with us. this is actually the very first time I had no issues whatsoever with doing a new theme, right on!
I lost my old url and site due to a death of my server admin….that’s why I basically have no content yet. But this super theme just MADe MY DAY!! love all the tiny little details that you incorporated, very tasteful!!
I really like this one. Nice Job.
Can anyone help me with widgetizing my SCRUFFY footer with three columns?
please… I’ve tried the tutorials but always failed to get them to work…
I’m using wordpress 2.6.2 with SCRUFFY
thankss
Thanks for the theme, wonderful design work and nice to see that an update for the wp_footer problem was available.
Hi,
I’m currently using this template for my site and I love it, but I had two questions/comments…
1. I have installed the Flickr RSS plugin, but it doesn’t look the same way it does on the preview page. Am I doing something wrong? Is there coding I need to add?
2. Is there a way to remove the “continue reading” links at the bottom of each post? I have the whole post automatically show, so there’s nothing more to read. Instead, I’d love if these said “leave a comment” since I don’t think that readers may realize that that’s an option otherwise…
Please let me know! And thanks again!
maybe I am blind but I just don’t see the link for downloading
I am using Firefox
please point me to the download
@Connie: There’s a download link at the bottom of the theme preview image. (At the top of this page)
@Julie Minevich: Thanks for downloading and using the theme!
To solve the flickr issue, read the readme file in the theme folder
And to remove the “continue Reading” link, open index.php in a text editor and delete the line of code on line 26
thanks, I tried that download link before and it did not start to download, now with your mental assistance, it worked, I could download
thanks,
Connie
Unfortunately the theme is of limited use for international users, as the text is either in the files or included as images
a pity. I would like to use it in german but even when I edit the files, the images will stay in english….
I also whished you would publish the psd-files.. would spread your great work internationally!
Hi – I wud be interested in an estimate for a WP template
nice looking theme, I’ve downloaded and use it in my simple blog. Thanks for making my blog looks beautiful.
Nice work.Thanks for the psd.
Hi Cobus, I’ve just downloaded and installed your amazing theme on a wordpress 2.7 final version hosting.
Unfortunately, I’ve got some issues with it: the good-looking comments sphere I saw on the live test isn’t appearing on my own website; instead, all I got is an ugly, big, black “comments” text. (both with firefox 3 and safari on Mac).
Any idea on how to fix this?
hmmm, my sidebar is slipping under the context in exploder…. the theme always looked a bit messy in that, works well in firefox which is what I normally use, but now its real bad in explorer…anything I can do?? I can’t see what makes it mess up like that, any help would be greatly appreciated!
I adore this theme! It’s perfect for my writing blog. I do have one question, though; I use the Post Avatar plug-in, and I have a thick black border around my avatars that looks really ugly. I was able to get rid of the tan one inside of the black one, but I can’t find the code for the black one. Help would be much appreciated.
I was wondering if you could help me. How can I change the size of the Blog title?
Thanks
Hi, i want to use this template… but i cant found the Font Poope for free so to edit those english words and translate it to spanish! Can you upload it?
Tx!
NICE JOB!
Hi Cobus,
I love your theme, and I’ve been using it for a while now. I’ve even downloaded the latest version, but something is wrong with how my blog is appearing now. This started sometime yesterday. Can you check it out for me please? Link: http://www.toothsoup.com/blottingpaper/
Thanks,
Aditi
Thanks so much for this!!! One question – After adding more than two pages, the navigation bar becomes covered by a tan box from Page #3 on….Is there a way to avoid this? Thanks!
@me Problem solved…the pages need content in them lol
Beautiful theme, very nice work man! Thank You!
I have a question .Is there a way to remove bullets from output (the once in widgets) ?
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beautiful !!!
This really is a great theme! I’m only having one tiny problem. I’m using a static homepage and I can’t seem to get rid of the hardcoded home button. Any tips from anyone?
Got it! Thanks again for the theme
Thnx for the great theme.
I moved WP to different place and upgraded to 2.7. Pages with comments dont look OK. Pages with no comments are OK.
Not OK – http://kasvis.fi/sivusto/2009/01/yhdesta-taikinasta-suolaista-ja-makeaa/
OK – http://kasvis.fi/sivusto/2009/01/pihvit-ruskeista-pavuista/
Hello,
I am using this theme on my personal blog and I just love it. Thank you for a great theme.
I do have some questions regarding the permalinks. I’m assuming the #content added at the end of the permalinks is being used as an anchor target:
http://www.web-betty-blog.com/1066/ode-to-red/#content
Is this necessary? If not, how can I remove it? The links work without the #content and it’s not necessary (for me, anyway).
Thanks!
Melissa
Mahalo for the awesome theme.
http://meantofu.com/blog/
Thanks for great theme, I am using it on my blog and my visitors like it as well as I do!
Great Theme. I’ll use it in my next website.
Thnx a lot for sharing.
Beautiful template. Good work. More similar design!
I love the little custom paragraph icons – what a great idea!
amazing theme…simply splendid!
applied it for my new blog…the problem with IE6 was the only concern, but thanks to Jer posting the fix here, it was smooth in no time…
@Cobus: it would be great if you included the IE6 fix in future releases of this theme…it’s not really that much work
another issue is that on the right side navigation, the ‘hand’ icon which should be seen when you hover over the hyperlink can be seen when you hover somewhere above the actual link…so you need to click above the actual link for it to work
Too cool!!
Very nice theme. I’ve inserted it in WordpressGala.
thank you very much !!!
This theme rocks! I love it!!
Thanks Joachim
Thanks a lot for making this free..inspired me!
Just wanted to thank you for the great theme- I’ve used it for several months, it works great and receives lots of compliments. Polished but arty at the same time!
hey i solved the ‘last link not clickable in IE6′ problem…
just add this to the stylesheet:
a { position: relative ;}
Hi, i want to use this template… but i cant found the Font Poope for free so to edit those english words and translate it to czech language! Can you upload it?
Thx!
NICE JOB!
Hello! I am a total newbie at this, and am really loving your scruffy theme. However, I am having trouble – on my ‘photos’ page a box blocks the page tabs that are normally at the top of the screen. any help? also if you have any suggestions or insights for me, please feel free!
thanks!
the page business seems to be working now. so nevermind. but suggestions still welcome!
It will be very good if I can change width of the site.
Sorry for my bad English.
can i use these free wordpress themes for free wordpress account at wordpress.com…
Thanks for the great and clean template
Hey Cobus…love the theme. It’s the best edgy theme I’ve found (they are too few and far between). Any new free themes on the horizon?
Quick question…do you know if the tagline code addition worked? I’ve been wanting to find a way to add my tagline but haven’t had time to play with it. What line should I put that code on in the header file?
Thanks again for the great work.
nice theme, i’m using it from more then 2months
but whow i can add ARCHIVE/CATEGORIES on the sidebar ?
Hi, love the theme! But, like Shannon, I’m using a static homepage and I’d like to remove the home button in the navigation. I’m a bit new to Wordpress. Is there a quick way to remove that link? Thanks!
First of all, thank you VERY much for a wonderful theme. I am new at WordPress and I am trying it out on my new install, slowly transferring pages from my old LiveJournal blog to the new domain.
At your suggestion, I installed the WP-PageNavi plug-in to handle pagination. I’m not sure if this plug-in is responsible, but I noticed that the arrows seemed reverse when traversing blog pages. I hope you don’t mind, but I opened up index.php in the editor and made a quick fix for you:
original code from index.php, around line #44:
<?php next_posts_link('') ?>
<?php previous_posts_link('') ?>
fixed code:
<?php next_posts_link('') ?>
<?php previous_posts_link('') ?>
You might want to include this if you ever release Scruffy 1.4 … it was a simple fix.
Again, thank you for providing this wonderfully designed WordPress theme. I love the personality of it.
Cobus -
Oops! My PHP code didn’t come through in my last post. Sorry about that. I’ve e-mailed the fix to you.
Just loved your theme .. its really very good. Wanted to thank u for creating this one
Hello there, i just wanted to say what a wonderful theme this is, i really like it and just applied it to my blog, one thing though, and I hope you don’t mind, i had to translate the whole thing to Spanish, the only part i couldn’t translate was the “latest post” text because when i tried exporting the image it seemed to be missing a couple pixels, displaying an ugly white line above the image, but everything else was possible thanks to you for publishing the PSD file, really, thanks…if you are interested in translating your themes into Spanish, just contact me.
HELP!
I logged off of my Scruffy theme yesterday and now I cannot access my site – is there a bug in the log-in/out option? HELP PLEASE
Cobus -
Oops! My PHP code didn’t come through in my last post. Sorry about that. I’ve e-mailed the fix to you….
Unfortunately, there was one major catch. ,
EXCELLENT THEME
The text of “Comments Off” overlaps the title of the post when comments are turned off. How can I fix this? I’ve looked over the comments.php and can’t find where that particular tag is listed.
Nevermind. I’d found the right code, just forgot to hit ‘refresh’. *redface*
Amazing and fun theme! Thanks so much! Just two questions-
I can’t get rid of the hardcoded home button when using a static front page. Anyone got any ideas?
Also trying to install Featured content gallery, want the main index template to be my landing page, but with static content… Anyone know if this is possible???
http://www.obogrevaty.ru/gazovye-otopitelnye-kotly.html
Hi there,
Great theme! I use it on my site.
is there something wrong with the download link?
Hi! Downloads should be working again! Sorry for the inconvience, there was a mix up with my settings!
yay thank you!
Awesome theme! Used it on kerblammo.com. Best grunge theme I could find.
hi , und danke für eine der aller schönsten WP -Themes !
Harry
I’m having trouble getting the Sociable plugin to work with this theme.
Is there any advice on any hooks that might be missing in this theme’s CSS?
Also having trouble with a .png file that won’t seem to show transparency. Are there any background layers that would interfere with transparency in an embedded image?